Comments on: The Nutt Draw – The Worth Matrix https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 05 Aug 2011 06:09:08 +0000 hourly 1 By: aricept teva https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-23006 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 06:09:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-23006 3FEyB7 Comments do help sites flourish, especially w

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By: ymmij1950 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3412 Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:10:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3412 Michel Poon would you be willing to share your Python script for gathering b buylist data? If so please email me @ ymmij1950@gmail.com.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3411 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:27:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3411 In reply to Chris Allen.

That may be true, I don't think I've personally made a purchase from either of them. I'm familiar with Black Border through some friends who swear by their pricing accuracy, and AdventuresOn was recommended to me by Kelly. The lists looked to same to me as well, but I thought one might be a copy cat. I'll check into it and fix the spread sheets to account for the duplication if there is an issue. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

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By: Chris Allen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3410 Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:15:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3410 I only bring this up because I'm not certain of it myself, but aren't BlackBorder and AdventuresOn run by the same people? Every time I've bought from BlackBorder it's been shipped in an AdventuresOn envelope. In addition, the prices they have are identical in every category you posted. It looks like you might be giving double weight to a single buyer/seller.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3409 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:49:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3409 In reply to Lackey.

@Lackey

That is definitely something I am looking to do eventually, and I'd like to take it further as well. I'm a bit limited by my programming knowledge, so I need to get that going first and then I'll be able to build some tools. I might be able to get some help in building these kinds of tools before then, but for now we'll have my spreadsheets.

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By: Lackey https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3408 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:02:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3408 This style of data aggregation analysis is immensely useful.

Is there any chance of this evolving into an on-demand queryable list where we'd be able to quickly get the highest store buy price across all included stores? (And could the aggregator sites, bidwicket.com and allmagiccards.com be tapped as additional data sources?)

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By: D-Roy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3407 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:52:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3407 In reply to Chris McNutt.

Spent a good deal of time yesterday trying to learn some of this advanced excel stuff. I figured out how to get the external web data to the spreadsheet & auto updating, but I've hit a wall as to using the data how I want to/ using formulas in my spread sheet. I never thought getting into Magic would involve learning Excel. 🙂

This is going to be a challenge for me. I think my head might asplode. Time to check out Excel 2007 books from the library!!

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3406 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:39:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3406 In reply to Chris McNutt.

@Windle

sounds good. I know a few people that are python coders, but someone with code doing exactly some of what i'm looking to do would be good. BTW, pulling down the data is pretty quick, maybe a minute or two to grab around 178,000 lines of text, it's the sorting that takes all the real time. I think though that the vlookup and index functions are linear so the time is not at all efficient. There is a lot to parse and filter. I could probably rewrite it to be more economical, but thinking of doing so makes me want to spend the time on Python.

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By: swarmofbees https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3405 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:59:11 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3405 In reply to Kelly.

Thank you, I was just curious as I began thinking about programmatically accessing this data. I have been looking for a pet development project and would like to give this a try since I am actively trying to liquidate old cards.

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By: Kelly https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3403 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:05:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3403 Regarding permission – If a site doens't want the free traffic, pubicity, and isn't interested in the transparency of competition that something like this creates, I would question the motives of their buy list. It's just a standing offer to a free market. Shouldn't be an issue.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3402 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:51:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3402 In reply to swarmofbees.

@coveredinbees

I didn't ask permission since they are online buy lists and they probably don't feel too bad about someone sending business their way… As for pulling down the data, it's all Excel.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3401 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:50:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3401 In reply to D-Roy.

@D-Roy

Nearly everything I learned about Excel was from the help files. Took a while, but I got there. One thing that makes this kind of work a little easier is the Index/Match style lookups.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3400 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:49:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3400 In reply to Michael Poon.

May I call you Windle? Ok good.
@Windle

I'm still learning Python so that I'll be able to ditch the current method, but right now it's all done entirely in MS Excel. My main spread sheet for this data is about 65MBs and takes about an hour to update. That's not me entering data, that's just for formulas crunching away after the new data has been pulled down.

SGC's layout was a bit of an issue, but since the information stays in the same place (vertically) I just sorted the lookup tables into 3 separate series of columns, checked for the set names based on the position of the word "Card," ran the set names through a lookup table to convert them to something usable and filtered out the ones I don't want to check (like foils or promo card).

I can't wait to learn how to use something with more power.

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By: swarmofbees https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3399 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:01:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3399 This was an extremely enjoyable and timely article. I just sat down to sort through a few boxes of old cards with the intention to sell them to Troll and Toad's buy list. Your article made me realize I need to do some more data analysis to identify which buy list is best for a particular card. The damand index buy list is extremely useful! I would like to know more about how you are pulling the information from the buylists. I think I have a pretty good idea and can see the inconvenience of Channel Fireball's list. Did you seek permission from the respective sites to pull this information? Thanks for the article, keep it up!

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By: D-Roy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3398 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:50:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3398 Great series and article!

I'm trying to get better at creating spreadsheets and analysis like this, but I've got alot to learn. I'm way behind Michael Poon – I've got no idea how to automatically pull info from a website. 🙂

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By: Michael Poon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/08/the-nutt-draw-%e2%80%93-worth-matrix/#comment-3397 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:02:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1403#comment-3397 I'm interested in how you're automatically pulling buylists. I cooked up a script a while ago that scrapes websites for buylist data and spits it out to me every morning so I know what to trade for. I currently have a few local stores, BlackBorder, CoolStuffInc, TrollandToad, and CardKingdom parsing correctly, but I'm having a pain with parsing SCG's layout. Any pointers? (I haven't bothered with parsing ChannelFireball because their buylist is almost always worse than the other buylists)

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