Comments on: The Nutt Draw: Buy List Matrix https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 29 Nov 2010 03:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: starwarer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3665 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:17:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3665 I'd like to see a less-noise variant of the Legacy Matrix.

It's really quite a pain to get a usable idea of what the best movers are for legacy based on *need*, rather than solely on rarity. What I mean here is that there is way too many of the A/B/U cards cluttering the top of the list (and even further down), so the top card in the format (Underground Sea, revised) is hidden way down the list.

I'm not saying to replace what you have there, as it is indeed useful, I am requesting that there be an alternative available. As it is, the Legacy matrix is heavily slanted to the rarities side of thing. This reduces its effectiveness as a tool for those who concentrate on cards for a competitive environment with cards that are more frequently pursued and desired.

Besides, the power 9 (Black Lotus, et al) aren't even Legacy, and do not apply to an environment where no Vintage is played. Maybe call the full list 'Eternal'.

As a corollary to the Womby list, how about we do the reverse. The cards with eBay prices above Buy List prices.
If eBay is giving much more than the Buy Lists, it may be worth it to put them on eBay (esp. for those that don't already use it), or at the very least, keep those cards to trade for cards that offer more cash on the Buy Lists.

Otherwise, these matrices are goldmines of information. We just have to learn how to use it reliably. I look forward to helping you fine-tune our analyses.

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By: the_cardfather https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3664 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:41:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3664 Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've never sold to dealers except at conventions. It seems like you would need quite a bit of trade stock to make it worth mailing in to a buy list. I know if you had some high dollar cards it would be worth it, but often you can get rid of those in other ways.

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By: MattS https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3663 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:00:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3663 One thing about the Womby list that I think deserves mentioning is that the buylist prices are often for NM cards and if the card is not NM they will sometimes only give you 50% of their listed price. So if you buy that Mox Jet at 327 they may only end up giving you 200 on it.

From my experiences selling to dealers I have found that some sites care a lot about condition when they are mailing you a check but if they are giving you trade credit they are a lot less picky (in addition to giving you an extra 25% or so on).

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3662 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:45:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3662 In reply to Stephen Moss.

I hear ya. I always preferred the more interactive style comments section so I try to put as much time as possible into duplicating that.

Spread the word and link the articles if you like them!

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By: Womby https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3661 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:15:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3661 Woohoo! A list named after me!

These matrices are fantastic. This current crop is especially helpful, as I'm about to prune my collection down to help finance Scars of Mirrodin.

As for the internet handle, "Womby" is actually short for "Wombat", so it's pronounced such that it rhymes with, erm . . . "bomb-y".

I'm actually digging through the Womby List now to compile a list of things to trade for when I get the chance.

Great stuff, here.

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By: Stephen Moss https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3660 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:49:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3660 Man am I glad that I came back to look at the comments. I see all the vendors that are going to be there and my boxes of cards suddenly look like little treasure chests…..Also, Garfield will be there eh? That's excellent news! Time to go find my Richard Garfield PHD card….

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3659 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:17:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3659 In reply to Stephen Moss.

By the way, one of my fellow judges for the event Louis Fernandes created a list of the artists and cards attending the GP. I've placed it online at the link below.

Artist and Card List

I'd also like to note that Richard Garfield will be there on Saturday from 2-4 doing signings as well.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3658 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:10:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3658 In reply to Stephen Moss.

Thank you. You make an excellent point about what to bring to the GP. Last night a friend asked me who the vendors at GP Portland will be (Troll and Toad will be there). I got a list and will share it with you now.

Channel Fireball Buy List
Cardhaus, No Buy List Online at this Time
Strike Zone Buy List
Troll and Toad buy List
Gaming etc Buy List
Pastimes Buy List
Star City, No Buy List Online at this Time
Cool Stuff Inc Buy List
Face a Face Games, No Buy List Online at the Time
mtgchicago.com Buy List
Hotsauce Games

I wish I had the time to integrate all these Buy Lists into my data, but I don't right now. I'll be at GP Portland judging (events and people) as well as playing in the main event, feel free and look me up!

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By: lorddax https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3657 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:41:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3657 In reply to Chris McNutt.

Awesome! Let me know if you need more verses for the whole song 😛

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3656 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:39:25 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3656 In reply to lorddax.

The lyrics may be subject to change on the site, but they have been emblazoned onto my heart… hehehe. Seriously though, I'm grabbing my guitar and writing some heavy metal riffs to that. The next step will be to hire traveling minstrels…

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By: Stephen Moss https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3655 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:23:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3655 Excellent article as usual Chris. Thanks for including longer time lines on the top 5 cards. I also really like the Womby list, it has some real profit potential. Buylists are excellent to look at to get an idea on what i need to bring with me, leaving for GP Portland tonight. From what I see, I hope T&T is there for my uncommons and some of the rares, and various other vendors for higher priced items.

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By: lorddax https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3654 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:16:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3654 In reply to lorddax.

All Rights reserved. 😛

Note:Lyrics subject to change without notice.

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By: lorddax https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3653 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:14:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3653 Wanna run wit the MCN crew, hah?
Rule MTGspace and crunch numbers like he do?
They call him the king of the spreadsheets
Got 'em printed out on his bedsheets

His new matrix got the clocks, it rocks
But yours was obsolete before you cracked open a box
You say you've had your buylist for over a week?
Throw that junk away, man, it's an antique
Your trade binder is a month old? Well that's great
If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight

His digital lists are write-protected
Every entry inspected, no discrepancies detected
He beta tested every valuing system
Gave props to some, and others? He dissed 'em

While your bot's crashin', his's multitaskin'
It value gains all his trades without him even askin'
Hes got a trade binder forty inches wide
believe yours says "UltraPro" on the side

In a 8-format world, you're a 1-format trader
You've got your own newsgroup, "alt.profit-hater"
Your profit melts when you try to send a pack
Where'd you get your buylist, in a box of Cracker Jacks?

Trade him online? Well, you know that he'll beat you
If he'll ever meet you he'll control-alt-delete you
What? What? What? What? What?

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3652 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:18:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3652 In reply to Dane Hammer.

Yes, for sure. I don't have it set up to save the data to produce timelines yet though. What specifically would you like to see?

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By: Dane Hammer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3651 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:11:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3651 Would you consider adding some trend lines to your charts?

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3650 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:05:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3650 In reply to Chris McNutt.

No, and don't be creepy.

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By: Chris McNutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/the-nutt-draw-buy-list-matrix/#comment-3649 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:04:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=1809#comment-3649 You're awesome, can i have your phone number?

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