Comments on: The Ins and Outs of M13: What Will and Wont Survive Standard Rotation https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:29:53 +0000 hourly 1 By: LSDillinger https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/#comment-35432 Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:29:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28997#comment-35432 No mention of Boundless Realms…yeah it's a rare and really only useful late game but it provides all the ramp and deck-thinning of New Frontiers without feeding your opponent's schemes.

]]> By: heyarnold https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/#comment-32683 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 22:37:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28997#comment-32683 No love for exalted?

]]> By: alex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/#comment-32648 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:12:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28997#comment-32648 Really well-written article. Glad black is getting more love.

]]> By: Justin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/#comment-32633 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:36:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28997#comment-32633 *249 cards. Would've been nice if this article highlighted certain sleeper cards that could be good with rotation coming, but I guess you can't really do that until we see what's in RtR.

]]> By: mHinsz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/#comment-32627 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:28:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28997#comment-32627 Thanks for the comments,

I didn't intend to discuss the format as a whole without regard to "Return to Ravnica". My goal was to outline key differences between M12 and M13 and draw conclusions from that. I think there is value in identifying what the core set is, and is not doing. It is not providing us with Birds of Paradise, Mana Leak, or Day of Judgment – and I think those are fair signals that define the direction Wizards wants to take Standard. M13 will account for 294 of the legal cards in Standard – I would argue that it's impact is not insignificant.

Maybe I should have prefaced the article with "Return to Ravnica will be legal too", but I didn't feel I needed to do that.

]]> By: David Morganthaler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/07/the-ins-and-outs-of-m13-what-will-and-wont-survive-standard-rotation/#comment-32623 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:07:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28997#comment-32623 This article is a little confusing to me. You seem to have the core idea of exploring how Standard will be different after block rotation, which is fine. However, your approach to this is to show what each color loses from the rotating sets, and what comes in with the new core set. You go on to draw conclusions about the position of each color from there.

I think it’s less than useful to draw any conclusion without even addressing the fact that there will also be almost 300 new cards in the card pool at rotation with the incoming block set. At no time will M13 be legal without Scars, M12, or Return To Ravnica in the pool, so I wonder at the value of discussing an incoming format as though that were the case.

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