Comments on: Insider: Beneath the Veil https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:46:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Harry Bradford https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50603 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 23:17:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50603 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

I have a foil. While the normals might be relatively steady, I should probably ship this foil now, right?

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By: Harry Bradford https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50602 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 23:16:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50602 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

I hav a foil. While the normals might be relatively steady, I should probably ship this foil now, right?

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50590 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:56:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50590 In reply to robert bixler.

“so far we also have no precedent for a reprint in a core set of a newer version of a planeswalker that was originally reprinted outside of a core set.”

While accurate we haven’t had all that much time for this to have occured. The first “new planeswalker” from the originals was Ajani Vengeant in Shards block which was only a few years ago. The fact that they reprinted the Lorwyn block ones in a core set (M2010), actually shows that they’ll print planeswalkers from an Expansion in a core set (I realize that it was the first time they’d been printed, but it does set a precedent). Liliana of the Veil was from an Expansion so reprinting her in a core set would be similar to reprinting Garruk Wildspeaker, Chandra Nalaar, Ajani Goldmane, Liliana Vess in a core set (which as I said has been done)

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50586 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:54:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50586 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

Right before rotation, that is. Phone cut me off there.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50585 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:53:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50585 In reply to Joaquim Neumann.

I think so, yes

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By: Joaquim Neumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50584 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:44:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50584 Good Analysis Corbin. The question is: Is the Time to buy into Liliana again when the Set is about to rotate but is still Standard legal and everyone is in panic about Standard Prices or will she hit her bottom shortly after Rotation?

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By: robert bixler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50581 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:41:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50581 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

The veil is not really tied to Innistrad, though in the storyline Liliana visits Innistrad while she has the veil.

The veil’s origins are covered in the webcomics.

That being said, the only cases of non-lorwyn planeswalkers being printed in a core set are Sorin and Gideon, both of which were used in the storyline of their block. (As opposed to someone like Tamiyo or Tibalt, who are very loosely involved in the storyline, though this could be due to Innistrad not having a novel of any kind (at least that I could find)). I don’t think the “of the veil” prefix to Liliana necessarily places her on Innistrad, but so far we also have no precedent for a reprint in a core set of a newer version of a planeswalker that was originally reprinted outside of a core set. That rule is the one Liliana has to overcome.

I think it’s possible if she gets too abhorrently high in price. With MM, Wizards has shown a desire to lower black market prices to increase the influx of players to older formats. If Liliana is played in every deck that plays black, much like most every blue deck would play Jace 2.0 if it could, reprinting her in a core set seems like a good way to dramatically increase supply. She never warped the standard format like Jace did.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50578 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:55:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50578 In reply to CHARLES KONG.

First off, thanks! I think that’s a fair point, and we could see her at some point in Core. I think the veil is tied to Innistrad story-wise though, so I’m not sure if this would stop them or not.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50577 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:52:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50577 In reply to Jonathan Nguyen.

It’s analytical breakdown of the rise of a card, the factors that led to it and how those factors affect the price moving forward by someone who’s followed the rise of this and similar cards closely. If I’m not here to critically analyze movements like this and chart an investment course moving forward, what am I here on the paid side to do?

I see where your comment is coming from, but the only reason I included what I wrote about it was to have a starting point for the card’s history and what followed, and is not especially relevant to the main crux of the article, which is determining the card’s future.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50576 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:48:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50576 In reply to JasonAlt.

I’m pretty much on the same page, though I think it may go steadily higher, if at a slower pace, for the forseeable future.

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By: Jonathan Nguyen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50569 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50569 I hate to be harsh but how is this article other then retrospectively patting yourself on the back and telling people there is no speculative play here? I am only being critical because this is paid content.

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By: CHARLES KONG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50566 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:43:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50566 Hey again Corbin great article as usual, I actually agree with most except on the reprint aspect, I think she could potentially could show up in m15 or m16 because she is mono colored and even though she is a really good walker she didn’t really dominate standard like jace or gideon did and gideon/ nicol bolas showed up in core, mind sculptor probably would have too if he wasn’t broken. With that in mind what are the chances we see elspeth in core?

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/insider-the-revenue-review-beneath-the-veil/#comment-50561 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:16:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37033#comment-50561 The foil hit $150 this week. That seems to imply most of the demand is coming from eternal, and seems like it indicates that may have a stabilizing effect on the price through rotation. I still think $50 is the ceiling.

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