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Editor's Note: Corbin is out for the week due to the tornadoes in Oklahoma. Instead, we are running one of his classic articles from a couple years ago. If you like this one, be sure to check out his later follow-up article as well, found here.
Let me share with you a conversation Iāve had several times with my girlfriend after returning from FNM.
Marianne: So how did it go?
Me: It was okay. I went 3-1 playing, but I made like $30 trading!
Marianne: Great, so are you taking me out to dinner tomorrow night? Or are you going to buy me shiny things?
Me: Well, itās more like ātheoretical moneyā
Marianne: So macaroni and cereal again?
Me: (sigh) Yeah, but I really like those!
This example shows clearly two traps you can fall into. First, while macaroni and cereal sound great when youāre a kid, they get old after four years in school. Two, thinking you made money trading just because at the end of the night you walk away with the cards that Star City Games is selling at higher prices. (Shiny things is code for āengagement ring.ā Be on the lookout for your significant other trying to casually slip it into conversations like this)
The Myth of Making Profits stems from the fact that many traders believe that trading their Predator Dragon for your Thoughtseize means they have profited the difference in the sell prices of the two cards. This simply isnāt true. All they have done is trade one piece of cardboard (that beats up on Extended) for another piece of cardboard (that makes a really huge Dragon to beat up on everything). Neither player has profited from this exchange, they have simply gained or lost value.
Profit comes in only when these pieces of cardboard are turned into actual money. Trading up is not the same as profiting from trading. As covered numerous times on this site, cards sitting in your binder do nothing. They represent unrealized profit and restrain you to macaroni and Captain Crunch. Donāt get me wrong, you need to make ātheoretical moneyā while trading, but you canāt stop there and rest on your laurels. Itās great to flip through your binder and see that shiny near-mint Tarmogoyf and other Legacy goodies like Force of Will. I assume you arenāt looking at Survival of the Fittest because you took the advice of those on Quiet Speculation and sold them before the Dec. 20 banning.
But what is the next step, and how do you take it? Iāve covered before Why We Trade, which basically means every person needs an endgame. A destination. Your own personal Mordor. For some, itās collecting. For others, itās playing the deck you want. For many of you, I suspect that end goal is to make a profit, which is the endgame Iāll be referencing today.
If youāre planning to flip the cards you pick up in trades into cash to buy Red Lobster, shiny things or just more Ramen, you need to understand the difference between buy and sell prices (you can read about my latest selling venture here). Star City Games sells Abyssal Persecutor at $15, but buys it at just $8. Selling through Ebay means you lose 12 percent to fees. Both incur shipping costs, in both your time and money. These things shouldnāt deter you from using these venues to cash out your cards, but you need to understand the back end of selling when youāre trying to get into the game. The time you put in trading is just the beginning, and itās by far the easiest part of cashing out with your cards. Luckily, QS has some resources to get you going in these areas. Doug Linn wrote an excellent primer on Ebay sells here and Chris McNutt keeps you updated on all the best Buy List prices regularly.
Another common option is to sell directly to a dealer in person. This is by far the easiest option, and allows for haggling on prices, but availability can be an issue if you donāt have dealers in your area who buy regularly. For instance, in my hometown of Oklahoma City, thereās only one shop that even buys cards, and they offer ridiculously low buy prices (and then try to sell you Survival of the Fittest at $65).
But there is a fourth option, and one that is criminally underutilized ā Selling cards directly to players. There are multiple factors you have to be aware of when going this route.
The first is that you need to be aware of your surroundings. If the store owner doesnāt like you selling cards in their store, take it out, and I donāt mean right outside the door. Wait until the night is over and do it elsewhere. You donāt want to upset the store owner, and they understandably have a complaint if you try to take their business right under their nose.
If you sell cards on a regular basis, you need to understand the legal implications of it, and at what point it becomes a small business where you need to report profits on your taxes. Unfortunately, I donāt have the knowledge to guide you through this process, but selling a few cards every month is unlikely to cause you any trouble.
It doesnāt hurt to ask a player if they are looking to trade for cards or if they are interested in buying if you canāt work out a trade. Cash can also be used as a throw-in to even up trades.
The reason selling cards directly to players is appealing is because it helps you to circumvent the Myth of Making Profits by eliminating a ton of back-end work. You save a few dollars on shipping and an hour of your time (and gas money) by making a deal on the spot. Both you and the player buying from you are in an advantageous position by dealing like this. For them, they can get a card for cheaper than the sell price online and donāt have to pay shipping and handling (and have no wait) while getting what they want. For you, you sell a card for at or better than its Ebay price while avoiding all the hassle associated with selling online. You can offer better prices than brick-and-mortar stores because you donāt have the overhead.
I want to make it very clear that I am NOT advocating pricing out your local store. You need them a lot more than they need you. You must be extremely careful to not step on anyoneās toes. Personally, I play at a store where the owner has a limited singles collection, and doesnāt mind other players buying cards from one another. I suspect this is the exception, which means you have to be very conscious of your local environment before going this route.
If you can clear those hurdles and receive the go-ahead to sell your cards, donāt be afraid to do it, even if itās at a lower price than you would get on Ebay. Chances are losing out on a few dollars by selling it in person is well worth it, because the hassle of shipping cards through the mail is a lot greater than handing someone that card from your binder.
Last week at FNM a friend loaned me his BUG deck to play with, marking my first tournament that Iāve cast Jaces in real life (It doesnāt suck). I went 4-0-1, grabbing first place and earning $24 in store credit ($20 after the $4 store credit entry fee). I also made a few trades and sold a couple of cards, making it a very solid night all around.
His:
Master of Etherium ($4)
Mine:
[card]Inexorable Tide[card] ($1)
Net: $3
My partner wanted the Tide for the Poison/Proliferate deck he was building, and didnāt mind parting with the Master for it. With the play the Master is seeing in Extended, thereās plenty of chance Iāll be able to flip this easily.
His:
Scalding Tarn ($13)
Kitchen Finks ($3)
Mine:
Abyssal Persecutor ($15)
Net: $1
I have a lot more long-term hope for the Tarn and the Finks than I do the Persecutor. The Finks is really necessary for a lot of Extended decks, so Iāll either end up playing it or trading it up in a few months. The fetchland is a safe hold that is a lot more likely to retain value long-term than the Mythic that rotates in less than a year.
Sells:
I also sold a few cards on the night, as I mentioned. I was able to unload a Persecutor for $14, which is a very good price since it goes for $10-11 on Ebay. Note that as I mentioned above, this deal works for my partner and I both. After shipping, he saves at most a few dollars from getting on Ebay, and has to take the time to find an auction, bid on it and wait for it to ship. This way, he gets the card he wants at no hassle and in return I get a premium price for it.
My other deal involved a player really wanting to finish his Vampires deck before the tournament. This is basically the dream scenario for a trader, and I was able to capitalize.
His:
Fauna Shaman ($8)
$10 cash
Mine:
2x Consuming Vapors ($4)
Foil Vampire Nighthawk ($4)
Total: $12
Net: $6
The point of this trade is to demonstrate that my profit, while strictly using SCG values, is about $6. But if you account for the Myth of Making Profits, youāll see that the $10 in cash I picked up goes a long way to making this trade better for me because I donāt have to sell the cards I received to earn that cash, saving at least an hour of my time. In addition, my partner was willing to use SCG values on the cards, even though he was essentially buying them rather than trading, which means he couldāve got away with offering premium Ebay prices for the cards rather than SCG prices. In the end, we both got what we wanted and walked away happy from this trade/sell, making it a success for both of us.
Thatās all the space I have for this week. Iām taking a week of for Christmas, but Iāve chosen my favorite article of the year to run next week. It was actually written for Doubling Season (the original home of QSās current content), so itās a safe bet many of you havenāt seen it. I think youāll enjoy it if you check it out.
Until the New Year,
Corbin Hosler
@Chosler88 on Twitter
Oldie but goodie. Stay safe and see you next time.
Ya, I hope all is well Corbin…I did smile when I read this;
His:
Scalding Tarn ($13)
Kitchen Finks ($3)
Mine:
Abyssal Persecutor ($15)
Nice trade š
I guess that worked out, huh? May have to do something like this in the future (or start recording some trades again, it was fun to do)
“Profit comes in only when these pieces of cardboard are turned into actual money.”
When I first got interested in MTG speculation, I stumbled upon this website. I was able to read this article and the sentence above is what sold me on a subscription.
When I play a rare draft at my LGS for $10 and end up with a Domri Rade and Hallowed Fountain, I think I’ve made money. (Domri buylist is $8 and HF is $5 … +$3 on the night!).
The thing is, I don’t get to play as much as I would like. I hardly ever play standard because I can’t keep up with the format considering how rarely I play. My modern deck is completely built. I’m not interested in building a cube. I don’t have a group to play EDH.
So Domri and Hallowed Fountain sit in my trade binder, which hardly every gets opened anyway.
But with articles like this – AND TRADER TOOLS! – I find myself getting my money back more often than not when I play because of the constant reminder that I am not actually making a profit when I am not actually taking in cash.
Domri Rade and Hallowed Fountain (along with a bunch of other stuff) actually went out in the mail yesterday. Maybe I’ll use the profits to buy in to some cards reprinted in Modern Masters if the originals take a dip in price.
This is so awesome to hear š
A bit off topic but I hope Corbin is safe and sound.
– Plask
Ya. I’m loving this as well. His:
Scalding Tarn ($13)
Kitchen Finks ($3)
Mine:
Abyssal Persecutor ($15)
That cracks me up. Gotta love those kind of trades.
Thank you everyone for the kind words. It’s been a tough week, and getting home to see this is certainly very nice š
Let me share with you a conversation Iāve had several times with my girlfriend after returning from FNM.
Marianne: So how did it go?
Me: It was okay. I went 3-1 playing, but I made like $30 trading!
Marianne: Great, so are you taking me out to dinner tomorrow night? Or are you going to buy me shiny things?
Me: Well, itās more like ātheoretical moneyā
Marianne: So macaroni and cereal again?
Me: (sigh) Yeah, but I really like those!
This made me laugh. It’s like exactely the same thing my gf asks me after a FNM
We’re married now, and now she doesn’t even bother asking š
this raises a question for me regarding trade and scale. I have just started speculating on MTGO but seriously CBF in paper.
I mean online it’s so easy because you can buy / sell to bots instantly or search the classifieds pretty fast, but even so it’s hard to buy or sell any real volume. I suspect a bot is probably needed to help with this. I can only imagine how much harder it would be with paper.
I know we love to play magic and I’m sure you had heaps of fun trading but the fact that you seem happy making $30 for a days trading is actually an alarm bell for me.
I was buying a bunch of packs for 2.5. I started doing some calculations. If i buy 100 packs and sell at 3 that’s a whopping $50 in profit. Seems nice for what one might perceive as 1 speculation / trade. However I spent over an hour just buying the packs, as you can’t buy in bulk from most bots. I imagine I will have to do the same for selling.
I’m not complaining about making profit in a successful trade but the practicalities start to point out the hidden costs of trading to me. I.e. I could just work 1-2 more hours and actually earn more than I made on a successful trade.