Comments on: Insider: This Last Week’s Buzz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:43:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-55427 Sat, 18 May 2013 18:06:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-55427 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I am not suggesting to get them now at $20, but I am suggesting the rise is real and could have been expected at some point. I expect it might dip a bit, but will otherwise hold steady.

What I am doing is challenging the “scam” conclusion and trying to explain what I see as the main driver.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-55075 Wed, 15 May 2013 23:57:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-55075 In reply to pi.

Wow, very thorough response. Your arguments that these are casual staples and merit higher prices are not unfounded. I don’t mean to disagree. But now that prices have spiked dramatically, it’s much more difficult for me to tell people to buy them. In my opinion, it’s mostly too late. If you need them, you could try to find them cheaply or you could wait. You are suggesting not to wait, and that you think prices are stabilized now at this elevated level. This is perhaps true, but I am skeptical.

We’ve seen these price spikes many times before – some of them stick (Legends Legends) and some don’t so much (Aluren, Rishadan Port to a lesser extent). These higher prices should motivate players to dig their Medallions and Earthcrafts out and back into trade binders. Now that these cards have spiked, they’re on people’s radar again. So maybe you’ll see more supply now that price is much higher. That’s generally how the market works – price rises and supply rises as a result. More people are willing to sell at higher prices. The invisible hand should prevail eventually…I think. 🙂

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54917 Wed, 15 May 2013 09:08:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54917 In reply to pi.

*not = now

(Being able to edit your comments would be such a nice addition to the site).

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54916 Wed, 15 May 2013 09:07:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54916 In reply to pi.

In general I think casual hits from long ago that still have potential today are great pickups, especially if they are on the reserved list. You might have to wait for a while, but I think their eventual increase can be counted on.

I would include any great land, like Volrath’s Stronghold or Yavimaya Hollow, cards that can be played in many decks, like Memory Jar, and anything that works well with newer cards (though those tend to go from bulk to expensive overnight), it’s harder to predict these, but I kinda like Oath of Ghouls and Oversold Cemetery, that keep getting better now that we have the creature power creep thing going on (which would also be a nice argument in favor of Spike Weaver not that I think about it). I am sure other candidates can be found when you review the reserved list from a casual perspective (in fact something I should maybe do some day, if only I can find time).

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54915 Wed, 15 May 2013 08:59:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54915 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

It’s a rare card to find in binders, it was played a lot when it was still fairly new and available when Odyssey block came out and introduced Squirrel’s Nest. I reckon the card is more likely than most to have been lost to the Magic community as a whole because of casual players/moms thrashing collections or otherwise keeping them away from the general public. I haven’t seen one in trade binders since forever (I was looking to pick up a reasonably priced set for years). While it always had some value the price memory for those older casual players who had them at the time would have been a couple of dollars at most, not the kind of card you make sure to sell when you stop playing.

I am not advocating to get them now, unless you manage to find them at the old price, but, I am saying that this is not a rise that surprises me.

In a similar vein, I am a believer as far as the Medallion rise is concerned. They are great casual cards and equally old. Much of the same reasoning applies, particularly to the non-blue ones as they saw little tournament play. (Casual players have loved playing them even if competitive players haven’t). I wouldn’t be surprised if we see those eventually climb towards $20 too. I am in the progress of making sure I have at least a playset of these too.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54848 Tue, 14 May 2013 20:02:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54848 In reply to pi.

It’s not that I don’t think Earthcraft can be a $20 card…I just thought it would be $20 post-unbanning (after the original ridiculous spike). Now that Earthcraft has already jumped, I wouldn’t want to rush to buy a dozen copies should it become unbanned. It became a much more risky prospect.

I’ve never seen Earthcraft played casually, but it’s possible I don’t play enough these days to see that.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54846 Tue, 14 May 2013 19:45:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54846 We disagree on Earthcraft, it’s always been a great casual card and chances are the casual player base increased. In addition to that it will at least be tried if unbanned in Legacy. It’s been on my radar as a card with potential and have been picking up a playset and a few extra copies in recent months.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54737 Tue, 14 May 2013 11:41:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54737 In reply to JasonAlt.

Lol. I think upside is limited in the short term. Do you really think this card is going to break Standard?

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54685 Tue, 14 May 2013 07:46:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54685 You really want to be wrong about Deadbridge Chant twice? Once wasn\’t enough?

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By: zach5000 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54645 Tue, 14 May 2013 02:01:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54645 I think the Earthcraft jump is more sustainable than you think. The card is very rarely seen In trade binders and ebay prices have been close to the old market value for awhile. I was lucky enough to notice this jump a day or 2 before it happened because cfb had already adjusted their price to 25 bucks with none in stock (now they have over 20 in stock) and I bought a Korean and a playset of japanesse on ebay for pretty cheap.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54638 Mon, 13 May 2013 23:42:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54638 In reply to William Dickey.

Star City Games started with lower preordre prices, but enough sold such that they increased the price. I don’t think this is SCG being SCG necessarily…but I’m not paying $300 that’s for sure.

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By: William Dickey https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54631 Mon, 13 May 2013 23:03:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54631 I noticed that scg has modern masters booster boxes pre-ordering for 300. What’s your thought? Is the demand really that high or is star city just price gouging?

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54603 Mon, 13 May 2013 18:19:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54603 In reply to lepongemagique.

Thanks!!!

For RtR, I see 2 of the 3 criteria being met. The set has many worthwhile Eternal staples, as you’ve called out. Also, the set is somewhat fun to draft I believe (though I think the jury is still out on DGR draft). Problem here is that the supply is HUGE! Best selling set of all time = most printed set of all time.

That being said, I do own 4 boxes of RtR, and I like getting them in the $85 range if possible. I think these will appreciate nicely IF Magic remains uber popular in the coming years. This is necessary in order to keep demand high so that these boxes are bought up. At this point it’s your call on whether or not this is likely.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54602 Mon, 13 May 2013 18:17:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54602 In reply to Jose Gasque.

Nice! You likely got a better price than I did. I believe there is 1 or 2 boxes on eBay for less than $170 and that’s it. This will be a $200 box by 2014 unless Liliana and Snapcaster are reprinted before then…not likely.

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By: lepongemagique https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54600 Mon, 13 May 2013 18:16:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54600 Great Article I enjoyed reading!

What’s your opinion Sig on RtR sealed boxes? It has less attractive mythics but way more inter-format (even legacy and classic) rares + a half of shock lands.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54599 Mon, 13 May 2013 18:16:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54599 In reply to aregand.

A reprint is more likely for Liliana than for Jace, I’ll give you that much! But think about all those players who paid $150 for their foil Lilianas. How would they feel? 😛

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By: Jose Gasque https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54593 Mon, 13 May 2013 17:40:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54593 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I concur with Alex, this was a good article with expostulation of your investments. I purchased 8 boxes of INN a month ago.

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By: aregand https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54590 Mon, 13 May 2013 17:08:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54590 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I think her reprint chances are fairly high. Maybe not this core set as Liliana of the Dark Realms has just had one year and so far they have been giving the newer ones 2 yrs. She is not broken like JTMS was. Maybe next summer..

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54589 Mon, 13 May 2013 17:00:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54589 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I agree 100% with that. I actually don’t see her dropping a whole lot @ rotation (maybe 5-10% max) given her obvious eternal playability and the fact that her current high price does NOT seem to be due much to standard (judging by the lack of decks I see her in..only ever really jund)

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/05/insider-this-last-weeks-buzz/#comment-54586 Mon, 13 May 2013 16:45:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=38042#comment-54586 In reply to Alex Gislason.

Thanks for your comment, Alex! Hope it was helpful 🙂

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