Comments on: Why is Jace, the Mind Sculptor Banned in Modern?

By: Mike S.

Mike S. — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 22:47:44 +0000

Unbanned from Modern! Yippee!!

By: Andrew Norris

Andrew Norris — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:16:18 +0000

In reply to Tim Erickson.

Flash forward to now… This guy was on to something…

By: Crystle Graise

Crystle Graise — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 03:36:47 +0000

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By: Emma Hernandez

Emma Hernandez — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 04:40:26 +0000

First of all, I agree with both aruments
I think JTMS should and should not be
banned. JTMS is one heck of a card and
would be amazing and super fun to play
with but on the other hand Jace would
most likely end the game so quickly that
it would even be fun. I okay magic a lot
and usually my dad will end the game right
after

By: Krond

Krond — Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:05:05 +0000

In reply to Ryan Overturf.

Some folks really slow down once they get Jace online. Thinking about whether to Bounce/Brainstorm/Fateseal… then deciding whether to top or bottom, or deciding what to put back with Brainstorm.

Like Sensei’s Top, proficient players are quick about it, but many players take forever with it. It sure would be interesting if you could get a “WotC competitive certified Top/Jace user.” Of course that would never happen, but it would be cool.

By: Ryan Overturf

Ryan Overturf — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:52:16 +0000

In reply to Brecht Van R. I don't really see how Jace makes rounds longer. Resolving him and keeping him in play makes games end pretty quickly.

By: Brecht Van R

Brecht Van R — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:50:35 +0000

I always had the impression that they wanted Modern to start as a totally new format.

Not a copy of the legacy meta, and not a collection of the best standard decks from the last years (= extended).

And they succeeded in that somehow. I think this explanation can be used for most of the cards on the banlist.

I know they missed a few things, like BBE which made JUND the same as the standard deck.

Now JUND and affinity were standard decks, but the only thing they share with the standard list is the name.

Now to stay on topic, people make big mistakes if the assume that Jace 2.0 is only good if you drop in T4 and leave no mana open.

I’m pretty sure that’s not how it will be played if it was allowed in Modern.

You take control of the early game with disruption and counters. Jace makes sure you can’t come back. It will be a very strong addition to the control decks now.

And looking at the logisitics of a tournament, allowing Jace 2.0 will make all modern events last longer. They banned Top and Shahrazad for that reason.

By: Aregand

Aregand — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:47:38 +0000

Reprint coming in Legacy Masters – after the success of Modern Masters and online Vintage Masters I think this will happen eventually – probably MM2 first but you never know. They are realizing how much money they could print and are getting more aggressive with their reprints -seems like a no brainer. Even with the reserve list there are plenty of Legacy cards that they could put in.

By: Ryan Overturf

Ryan Overturf — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:04:58 +0000

This is just assertions and conjecture based on minimal evidence.

By: Tim Erickson

Tim Erickson — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:45:37 +0000

Jace and BBE should be unbanned simultaneously. I don’t think Jace is broken in Modern as is. He is really powerful but not great against the current metagame. And BBE would make sure he was kept in check. Now that jund lost Deathrite I think a simultaneous unbanning of Jace and BBE is safe.

By: David Schumann

David Schumann — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:27:54 +0000

In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

But both those formats have FREE counterspells…This is the critical part everyone is missing…When I can jam a JTMS quickly and have permission backup for whatever shenanigans my opponent plays on his turn…ya he’s ridiculously powerful or when there aren’t many decks that can provide strong/cheap/efficient threats early enough that prevent you from jamming him onto an empty board and just controlling everything that lands aftewarwards.

By: Sigmund Ausfresser

Sigmund Ausfresser — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:22:30 +0000

I’m in the camp that Jace 2.0 would completely warp Modern. There are Legacy and Vintage decks that combo well before turn 4 and yet Jace is still widespread in those formats. To appear in Modern would cause a major metagame shift. On the one hand, it may be nice to see Blue strengthen in the format. But I would never push Blue by unbanning Jace. He’s just too good.

By: David Schumann

David Schumann — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:22:16 +0000

I agree with Brotha on this one…I don’t think JTMS would be that big of a problem in modern. We already have combo decks that can win on turn 4, so if you’re playing blue jamming JTMS on your turn 4 is a recipe for losing, especially since he doesn’t just win you the game upon resolution. The biggest problem with him in standard was the lack of good flash creatures (outside Deciever Exarch, which even then is terrible without splinter twin to combo with him). The fact that modern has no really good “free countermagic” (and disrupting shoal isn’t good enough) means that you can’t jam him early and still counter your opponents spells. Having him in modern would open up the possibility of playing some of the Miracle cards from AVR, as their biggest problem is that we have almost NO good deck manipulation and we currently have no good way to return cards from your hand back on top. I do think he’d jump in price a lot, but he doesn’t just go into every modern deck, there are plenty that he wouldn’t go into (now granted he would likely find a home in every blue based one, but it’s unlikely you’d see a lot of existing archetypes splashing blue just to add him)

By: Brotha52

Brotha52 — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:51:26 +0000

He wasn’t dominating in the community cup. There are a multitude of ways to deal with him in modern.
We had Gaven on our podcast shortly after he joined R&D and he shared with us that they have tested with him in the format and he is fine.
I do agree that supply would be the issue. What a way to sell a bunch of MM2 by an cash grab reprint. I still predict a 5 year gap between MM sets.