Comments on: Insider: How to Cheat at Magic Cards https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 09 Jan 2015 15:17:53 +0000 hourly 1 By: Rooster6133 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-263875 Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:32:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-263875 Great article, I’ve too been a victim of trade theft. one day it was were did my mutavault go when it was $30, couple days later I’m missing a reckoner outa my deck I played last week? A few days later I gotta tell the guy I don’t have the storm forge mystic I sold to him on eBay. After many hours of sifting through my collection because I figured I had to have miss placed it. I arrived to conclusion that they were just gone. That was enough for me to quit paper. The cost to lose those cards was comparable to eBay/PayPal + shipping fees. I just leave my cards at home and play online. Now that we have cycled I am really exited to get rid of the rest of my paper on eBay after theft scammers and fees it’s just not worth the opportunity cost to deal with paper at all. Shops should take more initiatives into preventing this activity because they are losing there most valuable customers.

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By: mike lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-262339 Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:11:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-262339 I’m so glad this article exists. I try to trade this way but so many don’t and it’s killing the trading scene.

Dealers are adapting too. Why do you think we offer sick numbers on cards for ‘store credit’? It makes it easier for players to trade with dealers instead of with each other.

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By: Beaudean https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-261133 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 19:33:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-261133 In reply to QED2.

I’ve walked away from trades where the other person spends 5 minutes flicking through my binder looking for a 2 dollar card that he needs(when there’s you know, 5 2 dollar cards in there) so the trade is “worth it” for him.

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By: Frank https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-261069 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:45:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-261069 In reply to Derek Madlem.

Well when it comes to the homophobia, sexism and all that jazz, that can usually be attributed to this new generation that’s so much more sensitive to all that then before. It’s always been there but we only care now because social climate, the media, and others tell us its important to care about it now.
Case in point with bullying usually.
Personally in my local group we’ve always been welcome to whatever so I don’t recall any instances where someone was being overly homophobic or sexist. We even have about 5 girls that play at FNM pretty regularly.

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By: QED2 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-261014 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:10:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-261014 In my area, it is too far gone in exactly the opposite way. EVERYONE here uses a smartphone to laboriously and tediously check the price on EVERY card, even random foil commons and uncommons (Altac Bloodseeker, etc.). And this has caused me to slightly dislike trading, or at least with certain people.

Moreover, the fear of getting ripped off has led to a certain mindset that a player DESERVES to get every penny out of their cards. They hear messages like “don’t get ripped off” and so when I suggest trading an $8 card for a $9 card, they “have to find $1”. And take five or ten minutes to do it. And if they don’t, they will call off the trade entirely. CHRIST ALMIGHTY YOU DOUCHE, NO ONE’S TRYING TO RIP ANYONE OFF HERE, JUST MAKE THE TRADE

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By: QED2 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-261007 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:02:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-261007 In reply to David Schumann.

wary

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260802 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 15:22:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260802 In reply to David H.

Turning the corner and being at that point where you don’t “need” anything from other players is a great place to be. I don’t “have to” wade into the trade tables anymore if I don’t want to and that’s a great feeling. Also using Pucatrade to fill out playsets has made trading in person a chore by comparison.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260798 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 15:19:27 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260798 In reply to nick.

When you compare Magic to virtually any other hobby game, Magic has more events on a magnitude of 10x. If you look at games like Heroclix, players are happy to drive hours for a chance to lose at Heroclix and be thankful for the opportunity to play. Take a look at Gencon, there are some games played by only a handful of people across the entire country and you’ll see that handful meet up at Gencon every year to just for a chance to play their favorite games.

On the other hand, Magic players are “used to” having an event every week at the least, with many getting to play multiple nights a week at the same shop. For me living in a metropolitan area, I can play in a Magic tournament pretty much every day of the week if I wanted to without driving much more than an hour.

Magic players have just been spoiled the last few years with Organized play opportunities.

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By: David H https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260725 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:22:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260725 This is excellent. I *rarely* trade anymore (unless I *need* something for an impending event). Part of it is the disgust I feel for people who regularly try to use the “what do you think this is worth?” tactic to rip people off, and partly because I’ve become more financially stable and can afford to not try to grind value to cash out cards at EVERY EVENT.

I really like this perspective, and think this is worth sharing, especially in light of the events recently brought to the forefront of the MTG community.

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By: nick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260638 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:21:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260638 The entitlement you see may be because its felt that magic keeps shops open. The money made of magic sales can keep a store afloat when boardgames and such don’t seem to have as wide a margin. Or it could just be that magic seems to attract a certain kind of person, although I’ve played boardgames a ton over the years not just magic and i seem to have encountered the rude boardgamers you were mnissing.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260597 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:50:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260597 In reply to Frank.

It’s definitely going to vary by store / region / etc … but there has been a lot of talk recently about Magic not being very “welcoming” to women, racist undertones, homophobia, and general antisocial behavior. In comparison to free-range internet foolery Magic may be low on the toxicity scale, but compared to a healthy community it’s pretty rough.

For example, I worked a mixed gaming booth at Gencon, we sold board games AND Magic. MAYBE 1in 10 of the boardgame / Warhammer players was rude whereas 3 in 10 of the Magic players were rude. Sure it’s anecdotal evidence, but I’d heard similar things from friends working in game stores.

I think that Magic players feel entitled because, compared to most other hobby games, we’ve long had a lot done for us (events and such).

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260580 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:39:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260580 In reply to Villy B..

Sorry about that, not sure how both my spellcheck and editor (COUGH) Tyler (COUGH) missed that one!

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260316 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:11:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260316 In reply to David Schumann.

Way back I was printing price guides at a font size only I could read (I’m near sighted)… The good old days ;).

I haven’t really noticed a fear of trading in these parts, but admittedly I don’t regularly go to tournaments. I’m surprised the “wolfs” would ask that question. I never asked anybody what they value things at, I just make stacks: these cards for those cards seems about right*. Any wolf could use the same approach. I imagine it’s the people who are actually good at being a “wolf” are those that stick around and keep going at it. I wouldn’t worry about those that give themselves away that easily.

*On bigger deals I might look up prices, but even then it’s easy to get value by asking for compensation for downtrading, indicating you don’t want certain cards that badly or are hesitant to let go of yours.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260303 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:52:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260303 In reply to Derek Madlem.

The guys who taught me the game were true sharks, they actually quit when cards started showing their rarity…

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By: Frank https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-260034 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:46:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-260034 It might be because I’ve only been playing since ’09, but I honestly don’t see much of the “toxicity” most people apparently see in Magic. The worst Magic experience I can honestly say I’ve ever had is someone stealing my Kozilek from my binder a couple months ago. Other than that, the community has been great imo.
Now League of Legends; THAT’s a toxic community.

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By: Villy B. https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-259984 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 03:59:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-259984 Really nice article. I’ve had this happen in front of me, and people got very upset when I corrected and “sabotaged” a trade. The guy quoted the promo foil price of Emrakul, to a player who came back after a hiatus and was about to trade for the regular foil one. I mean seriously, that is just not done. We seem to be pushing more and more people out of the “trading” nature of the game.

Also, Derek, it’s Gandhi and not “Ghandi”! Sorry, but I’m Indian and he’s a pretty important figure in my history, so just thought I’d correct you there. (Don’t mean to sound pedantic, I totally get that Typos happen).

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By: Corbin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-259682 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:12:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-259682 Really nice comparison with the life total.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-259560 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:33:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-259560 In reply to Rob.

Just be glad you played in a time with expansion symbols for rarity … I remember going to prereleases and there being a scramble to determine which cards were even rares … oh the shenanigans we pulled in those dark times

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-259358 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:21:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-259358 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Luckily people are naturally attuned to scumbags so they don’t last long, the real problem is in smaller communities where a single shark can control most of the market by being the only person that really has anything “in stock.”

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/11/insider-how-to-cheat-at-magic-cards/#comment-259357 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:20:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=53362#comment-259357 In reply to Kris Thomas.

Same here, I had the nostalgia bug when I came back and Demigod of Revenge seemed like the coolest thing since sliced bread so I traded “some old trash” I had lying around: Intuitions and City of Traitors and some worthless old cards like that.

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