Comments on: Primers: Lantern Control https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:33:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122128 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:33:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122128 In reply to Michael Raymond.

Don’t worry about the amulet bloom matchup anymore…

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122127 Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:49:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122127 In reply to lucasB.

Yes

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By: Michael Raymond https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122126 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 09:42:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122126 What about the amulet bloom matchup?

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By: Sam Halfman https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122125 Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:22:50 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122125 In reply to J.Rodz.

I don’t think he meant as a win condition against the lantern deck rather a way to get out of the “lock”. Lantern player shapes your draw and then you mill a number of cards of hopefully revealing another out that the lantern player can’t deal with.

I don’t think it ‘s effective enough and it’s so narrow (what other deck do you want it for?) that sticking with the grudges, kitakis and suppression fields seems better.

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By: Beryl Lasko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122124 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:49:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122124 In reply to Zac Elsik.

This! Thanks Mickey!

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By: lucasB https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122123 Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:50:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122123 In reply to J.Rodz.

So a hand without Bridge but with Ancient Stirrings is keepable?

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By: J.Rodz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122122 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 21:10:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122122 In reply to lucasB.

Ancient Stirrings goes a long way in finding Bridge, or most anything in the deck really.

If you have Lantern and mill rocks you can dig for it while stalling the opponent by milling his creatures.

If you have mill rocks and Academy Ruins, yes, you could self mill in hopes of “graveyard tutor” it back. This is also how you find your Lantern some times.

Abrupt Decay & Pyrite Spellbomb also buy you time against creatures to find a Bridge.

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By: J.Rodz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122121 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:41:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122121 In reply to Anonymous.

If the Lantern player has an Academy Ruins, Mesmeric Orb will not be able to do the trick. Mesmeric Orb will trigger, mill the Lantern player to 0 cards in library, then the Lantern player will use Academy Ruins to put 1 card on deck and draw it, turn after turn. Mox Opal’s legend rule means there will always be a target on graveyard to do it, or Codex Shredder saccing itself, or Pyrite Spellbomb.

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By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122120 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:06:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122120 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Incremental lifegain is better because of Skullcrack/Command; we want things in our graveyard, and it’s cheaper overall.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122119 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:01:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122119 Mesmeric Orb seems like a decent sideboard card for certain decks vs this.. oddly enough.

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By: lucasB https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122118 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 17:52:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122118 What I am most curious about the deck is that it can’t seem to win without an ensnaring bridge in play. So should you agressively mulligan for it? Is it enough to keep hand with academy ruins and self-mill hoping to “graveyard tutor” it?

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122117 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 17:01:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122117 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

I would imagine it is because artifacts being in your yard are way better than then being in your deck thanks to academy ruins.

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By: Theo Trevisan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122116 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:47:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122116 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

The main reason is that Sun Droplet “sets” your life total and can also act as a mini-bridge for smaller creatures, especially stuff that sneaks under like Noble Hierarch. We have Academy Ruins to get back milled cards, which makes the shuffle effect on Elixir less useful. If you want a “gain life in a pinch” effect I would suggest Sunbeam Spellbomb (which is also used in some sideboards) as it can draw a card with no white mana, only costs 1 to activate, and most imporantly, can be recurred with Academy Ruins.

Also, excellent article, Randall! Sideboarding with this deck has always been a weak point for me (I’ve played the deck since January, but still) and this primer helps out a lot.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122115 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:30:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122115 Awesome primer. I’ve been waiting to read about this deck for some time, and I wasn’t disappointed. I do have a bit of a curiosity, however, and it’s why a card like Elixir of Immortality doesn’t make your 75. Is Sun Droplet that much better? I’m also thinking that Elixir gives you life right away, and it also protects you from self-mill when you are primarily employing Ghoulcaller’s Bell to trim your opponent’s deck (it also gets artifacts from your graveyard into your library en masse). I’m sure you’ve considered it, so I’d like to hear any thoughts on it or why it wasn’t chosen.

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By: Zac Elsik https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/primers-lantern-control/#comment-2122114 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:30:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4535#comment-2122114 Excellent article Mickey. Thanks for taking the time to do a write-up on this!

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