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Insider: QS Cast #12 – Modern Recap and City in a Bottle
It won’t do anything for me.
What won’t do anything for you?
It’s working now.
May have been better to show a little more respect towards the people who do like the format. It’s just so very clear that you guys don’t see how people could like it. Later on a similar thing happens with EDH, which I do know about: no, not everybody needs all those high end cards, the majority actually doesn’t care for them. Your view of EDH is severely skewed by experiences with it in a more competitively oriented setting (which is not how the majority plays it).
If you’re discussing a format, make sure to get someone in who actually has an opposing view on the format to allow for a more balanced discussion.
Well two points:
1.) It was a rant by Kelly, and Kelly even said he was going to rant about it. So it really wasn’t a discussion.
2.) This had less to do about the actual formats and how they’re played, and more to do about the parallel to just another hyped format. The hype and confirmation bias that leads to more people buying into the format (mostly speculating) when there’s not even a huge following.
The more people hype about it the higher the cards go, and people then sell out (mostly financiers) and don’t even play the format.
So again, this has nothing to do with either format other if players think their fun, rather the blatant hype surrounding them. So we wanted to talk about it, and how we don’t feel it’s really a sound place to “invest” money. If you like either format, go for it, but “speccing” on a card like King Suleiman probably isn’t the best course of action.
or if players think they’re fun*
Excuse this for being a little rant like but please take it as it is. For Old School Magic, I agree with the general points that you made in that it’s not very good compared with all the other formats/opportunities for a place to put your money but I really disagree with it being completely unfun. Playing with Juzam and it actually being “good” is really fun for me. It costing something like $400 now because people are speculating on this is absurd to me though. Another point, I played Vintage back in the day (middle 2000’s) and agree with Kelly that owning those cards (the entire P9) really felt a little hollow. For me, they were cards I dreamed about having but never could afford as a kid. Then I grew up, got some money, and it was as easy as point and click online. The nostalgia and fun of owning the cards was greatly diminished because it was no longer financially difficult to acquire them making that milestone less gratifying. Even though Kelly didn’t say that directly, I think that is a part of what lessened the impact of owning his Beta Lotus for him. Finally, even though I agree with a lot of what was said, I really hate the way it was presented. You “hate” Old School Magic because of the scummy behind the scenes financial machinations associated with it and your not into a variation on Vintage. It felt too negative and could have been done better and more professionally in my humble opinion. Yes, I understand it was a rant but next time have that as an extra/small ending bit to the show instead of a major part of it.
Amen brother. I concur in full. That is not how you talk about any format – regardless of what you think about it. Not to mention the negative stuff he said about it being fun and all that….is just wrong. Don’t attempt to ruin other people’s enjoyment because YOU feel a certain way. Especially if its something subjective. Really. A little asinine to listen to when I actually feel the opposite of that negative nancy type attitude. I’m not particularly mature or reserved, but that is just immature rubbish man. Sorry I know this is way late to comment but I scour everywhere for opd school magic content. I even paid to get hopefully get access to some. Please don’t let this drivel be it. Love your other 93/94 content. Hope I reach someone out there. Thanks