Comments on: Modern Metagame Breakdown: 4/8/16 – 5/1/16 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 18 May 2016 02:16:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Giuseppe Comparone https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125449 Wed, 18 May 2016 02:16:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125449 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Thanks!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125448 Sun, 08 May 2016 14:35:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125448 In reply to Giuseppe Comparone.

Currently, yes, but remember that these are monthly tierings and not necessarily overall Modern tierings throughout a longer timespan. On that longer scale, BW Tokens is still probably Tier 3.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125447 Sun, 08 May 2016 14:33:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125447 In reply to Zach Stackhouse.

I’m not sure we do have that kind of “Get Into Modern” article. Good topic for another day! I’d start with a Tier 1 or Tier 2 deck that fits your play style. This ensures you have something that stays relevant from month-to-month, and there’s a good budget spread among those strategies.

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By: Giuseppe Comparone https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125446 Sun, 08 May 2016 12:42:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125446 So is W/B Tokens considered Tier 4 or…?

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125445 Fri, 06 May 2016 19:44:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125445 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Which is why I am trading out of standard and into modern. The only question left is which deck to go to first. I’m sure you guys already have a beginners article or two I really should look for those.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125444 Fri, 06 May 2016 14:12:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125444 In reply to Zach Stackhouse.

Many Tier 1 decks are indeed expensive, but Tier 2 is much more reasonable. I’ll also add that many of those Tier 1 decks aren’t significantly more expensive than some Tier 1 Standard decks right now, courtesy of Mr. Jace. That said, it’s all but inevitable there’s a price gap between Tier 1 Modern and Tier 1 Standard, but as long as Tier 2 decks remain more reasonable and viable, this is okay. Decks also last longer in Modern (especially, we hope, without the PT inducing bans)!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125443 Fri, 06 May 2016 14:01:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125443 In reply to Nicolas Dangelo Biancaccio.

It’s your only out to Abzan Company if they combo on turn 3-4, and you only have a turn to win if they get the life because they’ll scry Redcap to the top. Or two turns if you can Pact the Redcap and then Grace on next upkeep to win that turn. Either way, you’ll need 5 mana for Ad Nauseam, 3 for Maniac, 1 for the draw spell, and maybe 1 more for Grace. This should be doable as long as you didn’t exile too many SSGs early: Bloom (3 mana), four lands (4 mana), and 3-4 SSG (3-4 mana) gets you to 10-11 which is right where you need to be to win off Maniac.

Some Ad Nauseam players say they win just fine without Maniac and that the Company player isn’t comboing. I’d guess they combo on turns 3-4 in about 15%-20% of games, so if you want to roll with those odds game one, you don’t need Maniac.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125442 Fri, 06 May 2016 13:56:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125442 In reply to Sy Haq.

Stock Esper version is probably better. It certainly has more results, but that might just be a function of popularity and profile, not of actually being better. One reason to believe Esper’s results are performance-related is the slight gameplan change in both decks: Esper Ad Nauseam is more focused around the combo, and I generally want to be focused and linear on a combo deck. With the Wish build, you can get these awkward hands where you really want to just execute the combo but you have a toolbox Wish in hand and not Peers or Spoils.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125441 Fri, 06 May 2016 13:50:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125441 In reply to Alex Bonin.

I think a big factor is lack of confidence in the archetype, even though it may have the tools to succeed. People just don’t know how to build the list yet because we’re just one month into the new metagame. If the deck is viable, which it might not be, then we’ll see something more coherent and consistent emerge at the Grand Prix. New cards down the road might help, as might unbans like JTMS, but the strategies still need a big finish in order to make it in the format.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125440 Fri, 06 May 2016 13:48:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125440 In reply to Jacob Allen.

Interesting. MTGO results aren’t being weighed too heavily right now (n is relatively small), but that’s a good datapoint to know.

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125439 Fri, 06 May 2016 13:32:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125439 As much as I am enjoying this analysis, man it is a little disheartening as a new player just trying to get started in modern to see the decks that are tier one and then look up the pricing.

Still, as an economist at heart I applaud the work being put into this!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125438 Fri, 06 May 2016 03:32:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125438 In reply to David Ernenwein.

A lot of players don’t like playing what they know to be a suboptimal version of a deck because of outside factors like a card being bugged online. I know if I lent my Goyfs to someone, for instance, I would not want to play Temur Delver with a set of Skinshifters. I’d just play something else.

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By: Nicolas Dangelo Biancaccio https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125437 Thu, 05 May 2016 13:09:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125437 Talking about ad naudeam, do you think that this is the time for maindeck laboratory maniac to shine?

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By: Jonathan Latour https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125436 Thu, 05 May 2016 11:51:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125436 In reply to Sy Haq.

You are better off with the stock version with spoils the vault

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By: Sy Haq https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125435 Thu, 05 May 2016 00:37:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125435 Which version of Ad Nauseam would you recommend? The “stock” version or the one with Glittering Wish?

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125434 Wed, 04 May 2016 20:05:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125434 In reply to Jacob Allen.

Huh. Guess I picked a good time to try out other decks. A little surprised that online Merfolk isn’t using Monastery Siege in the meantime (I know it’s worse, but everyone used to be really high on the card).

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125433 Wed, 04 May 2016 19:10:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125433 In reply to Jacob Allen.

What he said.

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By: Alex Bonin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125432 Wed, 04 May 2016 17:59:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125432 For the matter of blue decks not seeming to be fairing well, something that has long been true is that blue-based control decks in Modern tend to be fairly reliant on innovations, tweaks or whatever to find significant results. The decks with ancestral vision to achieve some okay finishes so far have been novel enough that I think it will encourage many players to adopt new tech and/or keep developing their own.

From my perspective, as a long time player of unfun spike decks(multiple decades), in the long run it might be best for grindy blue-based control decks if the archetype continue to exist as it does in the format; gaining occasional successes to prove its potential. The reason is for new cards to be printed to reinvigorate the archetype to better address the constraints imposed by power creep of creatures in new sets, etc, etc. A functional 2cc vanilla counter wouldn’t even do it probably. 1cc discard is really, really good and so are a lot of explosive aggro strategies.

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By: Jacob Allen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-4816-5116/#comment-2125431 Wed, 04 May 2016 17:19:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9265#comment-2125431 Just wanted to point out that the super low mtgo % of merfolk players is in part due to kira, great-glass spinner being bugged online

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