Comments on: Insider: Circling the Wagons https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:12:26 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ben Cottee https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771204 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:08:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771204 In reply to pi.

Agree with this exactly PI,

As a finance reader in fact whenever I see buy RL cards articles like this (and this is no knock on Sig) I roll my eyes and shrug as if to think what I didn’t know that?

For people paying for subscriptions to finance content I feel like we need a bit of a different tact from the writers, I like for example that Sig references (a lot) Old School because at least it is an enhancement/additional information on top of the RL cards piece.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771160 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:31:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771160 In reply to Sig.

If the majority of people were buying into RL cards prices would be way, way higher. However, I believe more and more mtg finance enthusiasts see writers like yourself promoting the merits of buying into RL cards and as a result decide they want part of the action. The number of mtg finance enthusiasts has grown significantly and thus many more people are getting into RL cards.

RL cards certainly are no longer a niche within mtg finance circles. It’s no longer like a couple of years ago when most ignored all but the most important RL cards.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771158 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:26:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771158 In reply to Sig.

The way he suggests it, it wouldn’t be a new format but an adaption of Legacy instead. MaRo definitely has made statements in the past that later turned out to have multiple interpretations.

Since when is Rector a true collectible? It’s always been near tournament level and its rarity is nowhere near something like Power Artifact.

Has Old School MTG been around for many years with any kind of significant presence?

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By: Ben https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771157 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:22:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771157 In reply to Sig.

Thanks for the Reply Sig,

I think there is an extremely higher number of people looking at and beginning to dabble in RL cards, or at the very least picking up the ones they really need now, because they realize they arent going down and could at any minute. When one person is saving money to buy one Underground Sea instead of a playset of snapcaster mages it all begins to add up. Again just one additional factor on top of all those listed by you but as more and more articles/tweets etc of this nature are put out there the more this will contribute.

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By: Sig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771031 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:58:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771031 In reply to Regan.

Regan,

So true! The more reprints, the more I’m inclined to stick with safer buys. That’s definitely my MO in this environment.

Sig

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By: Sig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771029 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:57:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771029 In reply to Bob.

Why would they destroy Legacy like that? I thought MaRo or Aaron Forsythe already stated there was no plan to create new formats for many years? I think the risk of this is extremely low.

Besides, many of the cards I listed aren’t even played in Legacy. I’m not advocating buying into Force of Will or Sensei’s Divining Top. I’m talking about true collectibles / EDH playables like Academy Rector and the like. These cards mostly don’t care about Legacy since they’re not played in the format. I adamantly believe there’s plenty of niche opportunities such as these that aren’t format dependent (besides maybe Old School MTG, which has been around for many years).

What do you think?
Sig

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By: Sig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771026 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:54:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771026 In reply to Ben Cottee.

Ben,

Do you think the majority of people are already buying into RL cards? Including the ones that haven’t spiked yet? I’m not so sure. I think the mainstream player is focusing on the new Standard, Conspiracy 2, and EDH. I think older, RL cards is still niche enough to not be a mainstream investment. No?

Thanks for the engaging questions/comments!
Sig

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By: Sig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771024 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:52:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771024 In reply to Marian Kall.

Marian,

This is a great question. My answer is going to be wishy washy.

Maybe.

Maybe if everyone starts diving into RL cards, a bubble forms. Prices would go parabolic and everyone would become bullish. While we have seen a few concerted efforts at buyouts, I don’t think we’ve truly gone “parabolic” yet. Some prices have spiked, but everyone isn’t diving in. If that happens, it’ll definitely be time to sell.

What are the chances this happens though? I think buying RL stuff like Winding Canyons is not for everyone. So perhaps not enough traction will take hold to cause said bubble? What do you think?

Thanks for the question!
Sig

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By: Sig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771022 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:50:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771022 In reply to Chason Parker.

Exactly!

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By: Sig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1771021 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:49:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1771021 In reply to phyrexiantrader.

The Pokemon GO comment was a joke. But I do wonder if seasons play a role.

Hierarch is certainly everywhere in Modern, I’ll give you that. I wonder how high it’ll go. Thoughts?

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By: Chason Parker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770317 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:35:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770317 In reply to phyrexiantrader.

I think he simply means summer is a time for going on trips and playing outside, so less game interest

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By: Bob https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770316 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:32:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770316 The problem with buy, buy, buy, reserved list cards is a change to the legacy format. While the risk may currently be low, a change to the legacy format that does not allow reserved list cards would tank all the high value reserved list cards. Yes, there is the collectible market for MTG cards but that is only so deep. Your advice is reasonable but there remains a significant risk that you did not explore.

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By: Bob https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770315 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:31:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770315 In reply to Ben Cottee.

The problem with buy, buy, buy, reserved list cards is a change to the legacy format. While the risk may currently be low, a change to the legacy format that does not allow reserved list cards would tank all the high value reserved list cards. Yes, there is the collectible market for MTG cards but that is only so deep. Your advice is reasonable but there remains a significant risk that you did not explore.

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By: Regan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770297 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:22:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770297 also with accelerated reprint products if makes less sense to hold onto a large cache of cards than it use to

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By: Ben Cottee https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770284 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:25:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770284 Isn’t something missing from the impacts list the fact that everyone is putting money into the same investments you advocate, if reserved list cards every week are spiking then that is money people are putting in that isn’t going into modern cards, there is only so much money to be invested and it just isn’t going into the reprintable cards because most realize the advice you are giving already.

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By: Marian Kall https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770280 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:32:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770280 Thanks for the article! I have one question:

what happens if everyone(traders, speculators, shops etc.) starts buying reserved list cards? don’t we cause a bubble which won’t be related to actual/future demand?

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By: phyrexiantrader https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/insider-circling-the-wagons-2/#comment-1770275 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:47:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=75512#comment-1770275 you are overestimating pokemon GO. Nobody is going to sell more because of that game (or buy less).

Also, noble hierarch is necessary for all bant decks (eldrazi, CoCo versions, some spirit decks), and infect and …

Of course this is going up.

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