Comments on: The “Best Deck” in Modern https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 13 Oct 2016 04:30:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126903 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 04:30:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126903 In reply to Michael Lewis.

You are clearly unfamiliar with my work if you think I would ever suggest playing a questionable deck. The article suggests putting time into the learning the deck you intend to play, not to play something bad just because you know it. Your comment suggests that you have missed the point by a very large margin.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126902 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 03:30:01 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126902 In reply to Michael Lewis.

FYI, I’m the editor of this site. If I recall correctly, I’m the one who actually named that section. But in any case, it’s a rhetorical statement. It isn’t tantamount to saying, “Playing the exact deck you know best is correlated with the highest chance of winning.” I think his argument is pretty clearly stated, assuming you’re not willfully ignoring it.

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By: Michael Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126901 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 01:27:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126901 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

His conclusion would suggest you’re wrong, which is literally titled “Play What You Know”…

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126900 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:18:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126900 In reply to Michael Lewis.

You’re mistaken if you think Ryan is telling you to play with a non-tiered deck over Tier 1. His claim is that there isn’t an absolute “best deck,” not that no decks are better than others.

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By: Michael Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126899 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:25:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126899 I’m so tired of this rhetoric. “Play what you know.” can only get you so far, if you have a crap deck, you have a crap deck no matter how well you think you run it. BW Tokens, just for example, hasnt made a significant finish in a major tournament in forever, even if you’ve been playing the deck for 3 years, I would switch to something else for whatever tournament you plan to play for this weekend. You can only gain experience with a deck by playing it, so go ahead and switch to what you think you is top tier right now, let me give you a hint, its Affinity, Burn, Dredge, BG(x), Infect, and Bant Eldrazi.

Modern isnt Legacy. None of these decks are all THAT difficult to play. Is there a little wiggle room? Sure, but nothing that ripping through 10 Leagues online wont fix.

Play the best deck, then you’ll have experience with the best deck and you can play it some more. Make the switch out of your heaping pile and play the best deck.

Play the best deck and stop listening to people who tell you that you compete with your Tezzerator deck just because you’ve played it forever.

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By: Ching Chao Chyun https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126898 Mon, 10 Oct 2016 09:22:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126898 Thanks for the article. I agree with all points. Personally, I am an affinity player. I have top 8 quite a few events with affinity. Indeed having a plan is very important to be able to quickly sideboard and be flexible with various match up. Often I will rehearse on what to board in and out against various match up. I will also think about how my opponent will adjust their play based on my hate card. Even when piloting some tier 3 decks, I can also explain my sideboard choice to another player about my game plan against different match up. I guess it takes a lot of hard work understand different deck and how to adjust your positioning and game plan accordingly.

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By: Francesco Neo Amati https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126897 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 13:54:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126897 Thank you for this article, which is a great follow-up to the last one you guys shared.

This is a sentiment that continues to be echoed throughout the Modern community and one that I’ve advocated for some time. Hence my Facebook Modern UWx community – https://www.facebook.com/groups/MTGModernUWx/ – and why I stick to UW Midrange as my main deck. It’s my bread and butter.

As I once mentioned in an article I wrote about UW in Modern, there are those who prefer to play the flavor of the week/month, which is typically the ‘best’ deck, in order to increase their probability of winning, or at least making Top 8. The proof is in performance, but the pilot, and adapting to the meta, absolutely matters. It is as important, if not more important than the deck we choose to play.

There are several pros, Patrick Dickmann, Shaun McLaren, Jeff Hoogland, Wafo Tapa, Craig Wescoe, etc., who stick to 1 or 2 decks and master them. They experience these decks through the motions, such as shifting metas, and continue tailoring and adapting their decks to the field. There’s an inherent and invaluable advantage of mastering your deck, knowing the ins and outs of your 75, understanding the format, and being able to show up at a tournament – while knowing the angles of opposing decks – and successfully perform through experience, skillful play, and being ahead of the curve. In a wide open field, it’s just best to play what you know, but the deck has to be reasonable (i.e. competitive).

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126896 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 18:32:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126896 In reply to Chris Striker.

I think that there are many examples of similar looking decks in Modern that have significantly different play patterns. I could play the more tempo drive builds of Delver decks, though if I saw somebody playing one of those builds or Grixis well I would not assume that skill translated to the other builds. Grixis enables you to let more spells resolve and be more reactive, while Temur and Izzet force you to play a far more proactive role.

Similarly, I don’t expect Jund or Abzan players to necessarily be able to pilot the other deck as well. The play patterns for Path to Exile and Lightning Bolt are very different. Sometimes even just being a couple cards off can significantly alter play patterns, minimally when it comes to specific matchups. I think that even if you’re only making minimal changes before an event with a deck that you’re proficient with, it would be wise to play a lot of games with the new configuration.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126895 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:35:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126895 In reply to Mikko Kaarttinen.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

I have been quite busy as of late, so I don’t have a ton of experience with the Fulminators yet. Spreading Seas would be better against Tron, though the major reason I landed on Fulminator is so I can board out both Delvers and Terminates against Jeskai and be happy with what I’m bringing in, and Spreading Seas just isn’t effective there.

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126894 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:21:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126894 Thanks for this piece Ryan. I appreciate your acknowledgment of the risks of Modern’s broad deck playability and how that can influence and affect results in the format. This seems to be a topic other authors are addressing of late as well.

Question for you about mastering a deck. How literal are you being? For example, you’ve made your Modern success piloting Grixis Delver. Would you still consider yourself comparably proficient in UR, or Temur? Or what about the different flavors of Abzan, as another example? With a few exceptions of decks with very large cores (Affinity, Infect) where does knowing your deck and experimenting with new cards and builds that support an equivalent strategy diverge?

This obviously isn’t a question that can be answered in percentages, but I’m curious how strictly one adheres to a set of cards, or even a tertiary color, when trying to evaluate how well you know a deck.

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By: Mikko Kaarttinen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126893 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:41:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126893 Hey Ryan.

You are bringing very unique content to modernnexus and extremely down to earth statements and opinions. When speaking of a math teacher who lectures and teaches theory vs the one who actually gives insight and makes it concrete, i see you as the latter one. Great job and keep it up.

Has the fulminator trial in the SB worked out for you in grixis delver? Any love for spreading seas in the SB ?

Sorry for the offtopic post.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126892 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:57:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126892 In reply to Tobias Debatin.

I think that Infect is actually a deck that rewards familiarity more than many, and when it comes to pro players and Modern I don’t believe that many of them are invested in the format enough to be masters of their deck beyond just being very good at Magic. I think that for many pros they are just trying to play the best deck and playing it from the perspective of being good at Magic, in no small part because they have to invest a lot of time into keeping up with Standard and Limited.

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By: Tobias Debatin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126891 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:34:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126891 Despite not liking the deck i (also) thought Infect is the best modern deck (assuming same time investments). Have you thought about or do you have any idea while it seemed to be very good in the last GPs but only Owen Turtenwald played it at worlds and not a single list was in the last MOCS Top32 with 9 swiss rounds? More precisely: Do you think in other decks the “ceiling” is higher so very good players should not play it against other very good players?

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By: Carl O'Brien https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126890 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:31:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126890 This article was extremely helpful. I play UB Titan Control (sigh) and thanks to this article, I realized I need to spend more time coming up with a good sideboard and a solid strategy. Maybe, maybe someday, when I’m good enough, when I’ve grinded enough, when the deck and I are finally one, I will win a match.
Thanks for the great article!

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126889 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:30:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126889 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

How in the world does “audible” mean “change your mind”?
*does some Googling*
Oh. Huh. Now I wish I knew where else I’d seen the term so I could re-read. Hm.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126888 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:10:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126888 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

I believe that the meaning in this context comes from football. It means to change your mind at the last minute. “To audible to a different play”.

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126887 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:45:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126887 Uh…

“Perhaps Death’s Shadow or Infect will have better percentages against a given set of pairings, but if the only deck you know is Jeskai Control audibling could be disastrous.”

So, back when I first played Magic, to “audible” (as a verb) was not an existing expression. Then I took a hiatus, and now that I’ve come back, I see this term every now and then. The context in most of my encounters with the term suggest that it refers to the act of making an audible vocalization in response to a game event (such as saying “Yes!” when you topdeck what you needed or sighing loudly when you draw your fifth land in a row). I was comfortable with that understanding and it seemed to work whenever I encountered that term, until I got to the above-referenced sentence from this article. What am I missing?

On a completely different note, you’re in Minnesota? Me too! 😀

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By: Felicia Doan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/best-deck-modern/#comment-2126886 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:11:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11845#comment-2126886 🙂 You picked Noble Hierarch as the example on purpose. Lol Great read. Thank you.

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