Comments on: Holiday Break: Stoneforge Mystic Testing Part Two https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:07:54 +0000 hourly 1 By: Martin Ferdinand Møller https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127507 Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:07:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127507 I was really hoping that the update in the end meant a change of heart regarding stoneforge’s position on the banlist. Sadly that was not the case.

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By: Martin Ferdinand Møller https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127506 Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:06:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127506 In reply to Druid Toney.

I agree that this is probably unfortunately true. But WOTC are such hypocrites as some of the cards already being played would fit the same criteria if it where the other way around. With this logic we should ban atleast 5-10 cards from modern in bolt, snapcaster, path, goyf, noble, inquisition/thoughtseize etc.

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By: Druid Toney https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127505 Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:09:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127505 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

This is the true reason Stoneforge remains on the banned list. The same reason they banned twin, deck diversity. What white deck would not run a Stoneforge Mystic package? Just like many blue decks were simply made better by adding a splinter twin package.

I completely disagree with WOTC thinking this is a reason to ban cards, but it’s going to stay banned for competitive diversity.

Splinter Twin, Stoneforge Mystic, and Green Sun’s Zenith all reside in this camp.

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By: The Monkey House https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127504 Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:30:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127504 You know, I never would have noticed that you failed to deliver a new article if you didn’t rehash an old one in its place. I feel like recycling material is not a good way to run a site, silently skipping an update would look a lot better.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127503 Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:24:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127503 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Also non-jund fair decks suck right now anyways and stoneforge only goes in fair decks. How can a fair card be bad because its too hard for fair decks to beat? If fair decks suck and the only thing mystic is good against is fair decks then its a lousy card to play. If its good against other things AND good against other fair decks then the share of fair decks would probably grow and just migrate towards stoneforge builds.

The idea a fair card only playable in fair decks would kill all the fair decks seems paradoxical.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127502 Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:20:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127502 Probably said this last time but your fundamental flaw is your hypothesis. Stoneforge should be banned if it violates banlist criteria (t3 kill, deck diversity, logistics). If it does not violate those – and here we wouldd basically look at deck diversity – it should be unbanned.

Nobody gives a shit if it slows linear decks or not. If we banned every card that did not slow down a linear deck wed say goodbye to 99.9 percent of the card pool. Your question should have been would stoneforge be oppressive – like bloodbraid jund, splinter twin top 8s or eye of ugin oppressive.

The fact it had a negligible effect on most of the matches you tried should tell you the correct answer to that question and lead you to the conclusion that its safe to unban. Yes its good vs burn. How many tier one decks can use the card? Zero – or one if abzan is currently t1. That is not oppressive.

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By: Gert Corthout https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/holiday-break-stoneforge-mystic-testing-part-two/#comment-2127501 Wed, 28 Dec 2016 08:42:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12610#comment-2127501 Impressive work, my hat off to you!

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