Comments on: Insider: A Deeper Look at Masterpieces https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:00:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1898293 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 21:36:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1898293 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

They are only better to target, which is just common sense as more play equals better target regardless of format. Our point is that Sol Ring skews the numbers because few if any cards get played more, as such it only gives you a data point for (almost) non-existent comparable cards.

Btw, that’s not an argument, it’s an hypothesis.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1895033 Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:54:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1895033 In reply to pi.

I don’t have to show a colored card because that is handicapping my argument. My argument is that cards that see a ton of play in Commander are best to target for Masterpieces. That usually mean the most versatile cards, being artifact cards can go in any deck. In fact we have invocation Legacy cards that aren’t popping like many EDH Masterpiece staples.

Granted, the artwork and card frame differences have much to do with this.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894754 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:44:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894754 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Exactly what David said. Show me the same for a colored card and we can discuss.

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By: Blake Miller https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894749 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:32:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894749 I like Mind’s Eye too, but keep in mind it had a pretty sweet looking foil printing in the Commander’s Arsenal as well.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894747 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:09:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894747 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Sol Ring may be an outlier though…it is one of (if not THE) most commonly played cards in every commander deck, so using it as justification may skew your data…similar to if we had a Brainstorm Invocation and we wanted to argue that Legacy staples were in super high demand (I know we have FoW, but it’s a valuable card already..whereas regular BS’s are in a similar price range as Sol Ring).

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894737 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 19:55:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894737 In reply to pi.

My counter to your comment, pi, is that Sol Ring has been one of the few Masterpieces that spiked and solidly held its price. Many others spike then pull back shortly thereafter. We all know the % decks that run Sol Ring in EDH….it’s not Vintage players driving demand for that one!

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894699 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 16:27:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894699 In reply to pi.

Thanks Pi…I definitely admit that I was hoping the data might point out some really obvious picks, but in the end it is what it is. I haven’t bought any Masterpieces yet simply because I don’t have a desire to foil any decks out (as I am more prone to change/alter/or take apart decks more often than keep them in tact for extensive periods of time), however, I’ve seen a lot of people talking about them and stores seem to be hoarding them..when I see them pop up on Facebook sell groups they usually get a lot of attention and purchases.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894686 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:06:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894686 Being the best source for something doesn’t necessarily equate to being a good source ;). I may be your best source on Magic play in Amsterdam, but I am certainly not a good source.

I’m with Sig, the research on this is impressive. I don’t mind there being no definite recommendation, looking at the data I don’t really have one either. Where I strongly disagree with him is on what is being overweighed, if anything I would weigh Commander even less.

Yes, there are Commander players who pimp. There are far more Commander players who just play with what they own. If they do pick up extra cards that one $20 Masterpiece represents twenty $1 cards they could also buy, that’s 1/5th of a deck! They may not literally think that, but for most the extra expenditure is not going to look worthwhile.

Add to this that you need 4x as many Commander decks for the card to be played in to get the same kind of rise as for a tournament playable card, while Commander players don’t suddenly all jump on a card like tournament players do. They’ll find they need a certain card one at a time and copies slowly disappear from the market as a result.

Cards that entice both the competitive and casual crowd certainly make the most interesting targets, but I would certainly value competitive interest much higher for these.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894654 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:07:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894654 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Thanks Sigmund. I wouldn’t fault you if you wanted to invest more in the commander choices above (for the record I like Mind’s Eye and Gauntlet of Power, simply because the masterpieces are only around 1.5x-2x the price of the regular version, though I’m not sure about the artwork for Mind’s Eye).

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/07/insider-a-deeper-look-at-masterpieces/#comment-1894651 Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:50:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=81987#comment-1894651 I’m impressed by the thorough research you had to do to write this article. Thank you for summarizing all this data – it’s something I was very curious about but never wanted to invest the time in studying myself.

Now my question: you crunch all these numbers and generate all this data, but I don’t see your final recommendations. You have asterisks next to a few, but which one or two would you recommend buying right now? If it were me, I’d look at your favorite choices in that final list and investigate which ones have the lowest stock on TCG Player…that would probably be my ultimate factor.

Lastly, I think you may be overweighing Eternal play relative to Commander play. i.e. I believe Commander play is a more significant factor. Perhaps the one exception would be Modern Affinity cards, since about half that deck can be built with all Masterpieces now!

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