Comments on: Answering Combo: A Beginner’s Guide https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/07/answering-combo-beginners-guide/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 25 Jul 2018 20:50:17 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/07/answering-combo-beginners-guide/#comment-2129555 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 20:50:17 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18310#comment-2129555 In reply to theaqueenisabeast.

Not an expert by any stretch, but I *think* that Matt was trying some tricky play where he’d announce his spell, presumably Nature’s Claim, then crack a number of Chromatics as mana abilities to pay for it. Normally you tap mana then play a spell, but you can also announce the spell then pay, but there’s really no reason to do one over the other.

The problem is that you cannot “overpay” for a spell. You must pay the exact cost, that being CMC +/- any taxes or reduction effects, and can’t pay more. You can float as much mana as you like, but any mana that is unused for the spell just sits in your mana pool. For a spell with X in the cost you still don’t overpay for the spell, you just pay the cost and however much X you want. I don’t have any idea what Matt was thinking or any idea why he wanted to try it, and I couldn’t find a good explanation anywhere. You are right, he didn’t need to go through that judge call and could have just won.

Post sideboard the most common hate players have for KCI is graveyard hate. My understanding is that KCI reduces its reliance on the graveyard and the Retriever loop to compensate.

KCI is a very complicated deck, the only advice I have is practice until it’s rote memory, and even then don’t assume you know everything that could happen.

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By: theaqueenisabeast https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/07/answering-combo-beginners-guide/#comment-2129554 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:49:47 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18310#comment-2129554 hello! i loved the article. i am trying to learn KCI myself, and i don’t really understand what happened when matt got up to ask the judges about overpaying for a spell with colored mana. there were a few things that puzzled me:
1) he never played a natures claim (i expect that’s what he was overpaying for)
2) paying to cast a spell is a mana ability and cannot be responded to, so couldn’t he have just gotten all the triggers on the stack while “overpaying” for the colored spell and just won on the spot?!
3) or did he just end up not having to do that at all and thats why i didn’t see him even play a natures claim?
4) (unrelated to the gp) in matt’s primer, in the side boarding plans there were a lot of times where he sided out all the myr retrievers. isn’t it impossible to do the draw your deck and make a lot of mana loop without the myr retriever?!
an answer would be greatly appreciated! 🙂
and also any tips for playing kci as well 🙂
thanks!

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/07/answering-combo-beginners-guide/#comment-2129553 Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:28:23 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18310#comment-2129553 In reply to ben coley.

That was the finals of GP Las Vegas, and it’s the moment I was referencing. Matt clearly knew that he couldn’t actually go off that turn and was setting up to make Yuri pop the Stone so he could potentially go off later, and Yuri did nothing. He clearly didn’t understand what was happening and didn’t read Matt’s pauses as cluing him in. Whether Yuri could have won the match is another matter, but he definitely shouldn’t have lost that turn.

In fairness to Yuri, it was the finals of a GP. Exhaustion and the pressure of being under the lights were certainly factors and may be the real explanation. However, I’ve seen the exact same thing at local events.

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By: ben coley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/07/answering-combo-beginners-guide/#comment-2129552 Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:39:17 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18310#comment-2129552 Nice article. I think it warrants further musings, even.

Recently I watched Matt Nass play against an opponent in a top 8 match. It may even have been a final.
What I saw baffled me. His Tron opponent had an oblivion stone on the battlefield. He had the mana to activate it. Matt took his turn and the first few things he did (spells, abilities etc) he deliberately paused and gave his opponent credit for knowing when to crack the o-stone and disrupt the combo. His opponent did nothing. Matt kind of physically stuttered a couple of times, in surprise I guess, as he was allowed to just enact the combo and build an unassailable position.
By the time his opponent decided to crack the o-stone it was too late and didn’t do anything at all. At the highest level of play in the finals of one of the biggest tournaments on the planet, Nass’ opponent made what looked like an FNM-level rookie error.

I backed up the footage and watched it a couple of times, too. I wanted to watch it from the Tron player’s perspective and see if I missed anything. Nope. I’m flummoxed haha. There was a definite clear moment where cracking the o-stone denies Nass the ability to go off that turn, but i guess the Tron player just wasn’t familiar with the deck or was exhausted from a day of playing. Either way, with the removal on-board and the mana to use it, he just handed Nass the game. It was a little strange to watch but then I had to check myself because just like that Tron player, I’ve made similar errors in my time and all of them are circumstantial and forgivable.

Still. I thought it was worth mentioning.

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By: Victor Len https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/07/answering-combo-beginners-guide/#comment-2129551 Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:57:49 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18310#comment-2129551 Just logged in to say I appreciated this article a lot. Quality content here, and very complete as well.

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