Comments on: Call the Police: Twin’s Role in Modern https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 04 Feb 2019 04:53:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129852 Mon, 04 Feb 2019 04:53:47 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129852 In reply to Joshua Dostine.

From what I remember and what my research revealed, Infect’s matchup against Twin was unfavored to even depending on what Infect ran maindeck. Numerous pros, including Todd Anderson following his SCG win with Infect, said that Infect was only the pick when Twin was at an ebb. It came down to Twin having more cantrips and thus being more likely to find its pieces than Infect. Also the counters and Blood Moon could be brutal.
Players like you with maindeck Spellskite and Wild Defiance certainly had an easier time. However, most apparently did not and Twin was adapting to Infect in the later stages of 2015 with Roast, Electrolyze, and Dispel moving to maindecks.

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By: Joshua Dostine https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129851 Mon, 04 Feb 2019 04:40:36 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129851 Sorry but when was Twin considered the favored matchup against Infect? Not being facetious. Honestly asking as that was an easy matchup from what I recall.

I had literally only played Infect from the days of Scars of Mirrodin until 3 weeks after the printing of Fatal Push. That was my only deck. And I LOVED the Twin match as much as the Tron match.

Spellskites (2 I believe), 4x Vines of Vastwood, 2x Dismember all in the main deck and 3x Wild Defiance out of the side plus Spell Pierce made for fun times for me! And from what I remember that was the standard deck list for everyone else at the time.

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By: Vassilis Zagoudis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129850 Sun, 03 Feb 2019 00:27:05 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129850 and here i thought that i was the last sane person on the internet regarding the ‘policing nonsense’, well done David for a great article

it’s always the same nonsense people say when they don’t want their deck to get banned and invent fictional reasons about why the world will fall apart if it does:

‘don’t ban DRS the meta will become a graveyard infested hellhole’

‘don’t ban birthing pod, aggro will run amok without the premier aggro ‘police”

‘don’t ban Twin least nothing but linear combo remains’

the trend continues now with UR phoenix (which i do not believe should be banned), for which it’s pilots laughably claim to ‘steal points from unfair decks and give them to fair-uninteractive ones’, yeah? and how exactly does phoenix win against combo? gut shot them? it’s not that fast either, if anything creature decks like spirits and humans are the best MUs for phoenix and not fast combo decks with whom it has trouble interacting

the concept of ‘police decks’ is ridiculous and needs to be abolished if we’re ever to move forward in terms of magic theory

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129849 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:02:37 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129849 In reply to Alex Bonin.

Every banlist announcement you see that argument trotted out. I think most people believed it at the time of the ban. Having actually examined the data I’m pretty sure you’re right, it was simply the best deck and did what any best deck did. Now that there isn’t a presumptive best deck year after year, there’s a lot more room for creativity.

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By: Alex Bonin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129848 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:24:52 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129848 Who contends that twin regulated the format? I was into modern before it was an official format, so I’ve had front row seats to the format.

UR Twin policed players’ creativity and incentive to explore <10 years of cardpool more than anything, which threatens to be a problem whenever there’s one deck that rewards mastery too well.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129847 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 03:30:48 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129847 In reply to Mikefon.

That is possible, though very hard to say. It appears that Twin was simply sitting atop Modern rather actively pushing anything out. This suggests that the lower tiers would be relatively unaffected by the unban compared to the upper ones.

My expectation is if you’re running a low tier or completely rogue deck then it’s a passion project that you’d stick with regardless of the metagame. Upper tier players are more likely to be interested in winning and be willing to switch decks as a result. Thus if it’s the random noise that is drawing player hatred no banning or unbanning will fix it.

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By: Nick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129846 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:01:45 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129846 I totally agree. Twin is just too slow in many cases now with dredge and phoenix decks and lacks meaningful interaction with all the vial and cavern decks running around

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By: Mikefon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/call-police-twins-role-modern/#comment-2129845 Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:40:11 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19444#comment-2129845 It would be interesting to see how twin could affect lower tier decks.
If twin was unbanned I’d fear that it would nuke away all lower tier that can appear sometimes in various tournaments.
The reduction of diversity shouldn’t be intended only for URx deck, but also considering lower tier that many players who want twin unban hate, maybe because they cause the “lottery feeling” of Modern. Lottery match-up that I know has been proven false.

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