Comments on: The Death of KCI: Banlist Reaction https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/death-kci-banlist-reaction/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 28 Jan 2019 02:27:57 +0000 hourly 1 By: RJ Sims https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/death-kci-banlist-reaction/#comment-2129856 Mon, 28 Jan 2019 02:27:57 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19481#comment-2129856 You brought up a good point that I hadn’t considered before until you mentioned it at the end about the potential banning of Ancient Stirrings and that is the rise of Latern Control as a result. Albiet, Lantern Control implements A.S. as well, I don’t see it crippling it to the point of ‘last nail in the coffin’ the way Tron would get hit. You said it perfectly, “less fun outcome” if the banning of A.S. does manifest. I’ve been playing Jund lately and I hate losing to Tron but I think losing to Lantern Control (doesn’t matter what deck you are playing) feels much worse. As much as I dislike Tron I feel like its a corner stone in Modern’s meta-game.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/death-kci-banlist-reaction/#comment-2129855 Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:29:47 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19481#comment-2129855 In reply to Dan W..

I don’t consider any deck to be a true boogeyman at this point. The only reason Ironworks could have been in my mind was the incorporation of Explosives and the rules exploits. Every deck that I know about can be beaten by any deck if they want to do it and by normal means, so I don’t see anything taking Ironwork’s place for the time being.

As for Looting, that’s hard to say. On the one hand Looting is the best graveyard enabler in Modern, the best velocity card, and arguably card advantage. However, no Looting deck other than Dredge has stuck around very long. Last spring everyone was singing Mardu Pyromancer’s praises and today the deck is non-existent. Similar story for Hollow One. There’s no reason to think that Phoenix will be any different, and so no reason to believe that Looting needs to go.
That said, on paper Hollow Phoenix is a very scary deck though it’s done nothing in reality. If someone finds a way to really unlock its power then Looting would be the card to go. Unless that happens or another incredibly broken deck emerges, I think Lootings safe.

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By: Dan W. https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/death-kci-banlist-reaction/#comment-2129854 Thu, 24 Jan 2019 17:56:39 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19481#comment-2129854 Hey David,
Thanks for walking us through all this, I-like most–will not be sad to see KCI go, but that being said I don’t typically want to see anyone lose a deck. Given that KCI was by and large considered a boogie man in the format what do you think will rise to take that mantle? Are Phoenix decks going to take that throne? Does this then put Faithless Looting on the proverbial radar? (Should Wizards be monitoring that anyway — probably.) If so, should we avoid buying in? What are your thoughts on Looting, Phoenix, etc.?

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By: mudanhonnyaku https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/01/death-kci-banlist-reaction/#comment-2129853 Thu, 24 Jan 2019 05:04:08 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19481#comment-2129853 I just interpreted the “not being given a free pass in perpetuity” statement as an affirmation that unlike Legacy and Vintage, Modern does not have officially recognized “pillars” or “sacred cows”. Brainstorm will never be banned in Legacy no matter how small and constrained the metagame niches for non-blue decks become; likewise, Mishra’s Workshop will never be restricted in Vintage. On the other hand, if Modern somehow reaches a state where, say, the top three decks by GP top 8s over the course of an entire year are Tron, Hardened Scales and Lantern…

There was some silly talk on Twitter before and after the B&R that “Mox Opal is the Workshop of Modern”–implying that its status as one of the most expensive cards in the format renders it immune to scrutiny. The comparison to Workshop is doubly silly because KCI is the first card *ever* to be banned from an Opal deck since the Mirrodin artifact lands were put on the initial ban list (Eggs didn’t play Opal because simultaneously recurring multiple copies of Opal didn’t work under the legendary rule of the time–all the copies would die before you could use any of them). The Vintage restricted list, on the other hand, is littered with artifacts that have only ever seen play in Workshop decks.

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